Mad Sweeney

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  Some pretty blatant stuff coming up in bookstudy

  by agent zero in

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  so i was reading ahead in the bookstudy book "bearing thorough witness" about god's kingdom, and i came upon some shockingly direct damage control on behalf of the gb in the material for the upcoming weeks.. on page 104: what a privilege it is to be instructed and molded by our patient and kind heavenly father!

  the results are always good and always to our advantage.

  so let us never proudly push ahead with our own ideas or react negatively to organizational changes or to adjusted explanations of certain scriptures.

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  NVR2L8 I LOVE the analogy of the two smoke detectors. The Borg false "alarm" goes off in 1874, 1879, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1975 and they say, "SEE? Our alarm system WORKS!" Any normal homeowner would have thrown the thing out after the first couple false alarms.

  As for whether this is just normal Watchtower GB propaganda, the significance of this stuff is that it isn't a random paragraph in a Watchtower article praising the GB - which there always has been and still is plenty of. This is an ENTIRE BOOK dedicated to establishing the Borg leadership as descending in a direct line from first century Christianity. It's the most audacious attempt at doing such a thing that they've ever done.
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  What is it with OBVES that you give him/her the time of day ?

  by smiddy in

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  i am at a loss as to understanding why some people give so much time and energy to responding to people like obves on this board ,,,,,,,,and of course he`s not the only one , ,,,,,,,,,why do we give these guys the platform to espouse their dribble ?

  on this site ?

  it is an exjw site is it not,?

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  Mad Sweeney

  I'll give anyone the time of day as long as they're not trolling, and I think OBVES is sincere. Sincerely off-base but sincere. He's not out to start fights and arguments.
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  Evolution Thread to continue conversation with BIOFLEX

  by NewChapter in

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  2. beliefs

  bioflex, i am starting this thread so that the other one doesn't get hijacked.

  here is where you left off.

  bioflex please stop talking about evolution you are off topic and your ignorance of the subject is deeply embarassing.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Before genetic sequencing there *might* have been some valid debate. Now there is none. Evolution is real. Read about it. Learn it. Deal with its repercussions in a rational way. People who don't "believe in" evolution, do not understand evolution.

  "The Magic of Reality" is Richard Dawkins' latest book. It is illustrated by Dave McKean (in addition to many photos, charts, and graphs). It is written so that people approximately age 12 and up can understand the wonders of the natural world. In other words, it is written at around the upper level of Watchtower literature. Engaging and clearly stated. I highly recommend it. (It's a $30 book but you can get it online for just over half that.)
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  WT Flip-Flops on Jesus’ Inspection… Was it in 1918 or 1919?... Did the WT PASS or FAIL?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is utterly ridiculous.... .

  the more i research this particular subject, the more flip-flops i uncover.

  it seems the fds cant even make up their minds regarding what happened in 1918 (or should i say 1919?).

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  I never knew that they were have said to fail the inspection in the Borg lit. That's fascinating.

  As for the time period of inspection, I was under the notion that it begain in early 1918 (I forget the supposed date) and ran for 18 months - ending in late 1919. So either year could be used depending on whether you're talking about when the inspection began or when it was completed.

  Regardless, there is no evidence any inspection ever happened and if it did, there is an equal dearth of evidence that the Watchtower was chosen as faithful and discreet and then appointed over all his belongings. AND, there isn't any evidence that YOU or I are supposed to be considered "belongings" OR that Matthew 24:45 is even a prophecy.

  It's a big pile of bullshit.
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  Toronto, Canada: FREE Screening of Disfellowshipping DOCUMENTARY next Wednesday

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. beliefs

  free film screening at the university of toronto next wednesday, october 19th at 6:00 p.m. .

  emmanuel college of victoria university in the university of toronto presents: .

  a film by erin mcmichael.

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  Mad Sweeney

  This was last night. Who went? We have many Canadians here; anyone from the Toronto area attend?
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  Discussion With Friends After The CA... Generation Demo & Blood

  by BroMac in

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  well the 'standout' for me was the generation demo.

  you cant have a red blood cell treatment, but you could have a haemoglobin treatment, haemoglobin is a conscience matter.

  red blood cells treatment.

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  This is pretty common and the question that always comes into my mind is: Does the Borg leadership like it this way or does it frustrate them?

  I'm not sure whether even the GB knows the answer to that.
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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

  (this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

  i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

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  I agree that someone with knowledge of Wikipedia process should edit the FDS page:

  "The Watchtower Society's official view of 'the faithful and discreet slave' was presented by legal counsel for the Watchtower Society on October 11, 2011, during a criminal court hearing in Victoria, Australia's Latrobe Valley Magistrates' Court, where Rachel van Witsen from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia's in-house law firm Vincent Toole Solicitors stated on behalf of the Watchtower Society that: 'The faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity.' The solicitor then presented arguments that the "faithful and discreet slave" should be viewed as a 'theological arrangement' and that it does not exist as a 'person,' as an 'unincorporated body,' or as a 'body' of Christians."
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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

  (this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

  i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

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  I do not understand the above statement - if the society instructed the elders and others to obtain the cards, then why is this lawsuit still going on?

  Is the Watchtower Society trying to get out of having them obtain the cards now?

  Because it is a criminal trial, not a lawsuit. The Borg broke the law continually for several years. Just because they are complying NOW doesn't mean the case should get dropped. That would be like a speeder getting pulled over and telling the officer, "But officer, my car isn't even MOVING, how can you cite me for speeding?!?" The law has already been broken. Now it's time to face the music.
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  This Is why So Many Leave The WTBTS

  by Hairyhegoat in

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  the watchtower, november 1, 1987, pp.

  awake!, november 22, 1970, pp.

  14, 29; the watchtower, august 15, 1987, p. 20; the watchtower, april 15, 1986, p. 28-30 .

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  You may want to update with the December 15, 2011 Watchtower info comparing sports and recreational clubs to other more serious sins.
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  It's the closest thing to the Truth...

  by garyneal in

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  this is what my jw wife has been saying as of late when it seems like she has no way to defend the doctrines of 1914, blood, as well as their false predictions, etc.. i've seen on this board where others have encountered this come back as well.

  it seems that the witnesses are getting a little slack and it makes me wonder how they can justify their position of their religion being the only true religion.. first off, being the "closest thing to the truth" implies that the truth itself is known.

  therefore, if the truth is known, why settle for being in a religion that is 'the closest thing to it?

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  I like the follow-up question about literal Israel/Judah.

  (assuming you believe the Borg version of the Bible) They were "the closest thing to the truth" in the bronze-age world and yet Jehovah not only allowed them to be taken over and destroyed, HE CAUSED it to happen through Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian Empire.

  Why does modern-day spiritual Israel express the same hubris and contempt for others that ancient Israel did but EXPECT DIVINE APPROVAL FOR IT?

  If Jehovah God caused the desolation of Jerusalem and 70 year (again, if you believe the BS) exile of HIS PEOPLE, then WHY WOULDN'T the parallel situation exist today?

  (this was one of the e-watchman points that helped jumpstart my thinking and analysis of the Borg - not that I'm endorsing his brand of wackiness)